Alright, we are a bit delayed here, but we’ll get started shortly.
Apparently, we’re going to be looking at the Operations budget from Finance Committee because Campus Women’s Center’s $33K grant might get cut? That’s the word on the street. Who knows for what reason.
6:37 – Started!
This is the last meeting of the session. By the way, this is really sparse today. No grad reps are here, Zinn is not here, Love is the only freshman rep…I guess no reason to come. But Kudos to those that did show up. [EDIT] Jamie Bemis is actually here. She’s a freshman rep. Thanks Max.
6:40 – Tina Trevino-Murphy – talking about CWC’s grant and asking that it not be amended.
6:42 – Olikara is up – He’s not running again for Diversity Chair for the next session. He wants to share his grand vision over his term. Printed out his original proposal when he ran as a first-semester freshman. Very indicative of that, he says. But a few things to note:
-Diversity commitee goals need to be aligned with ASM, shouldn’t be simply another detached program.
-When he started off, he held some listening sessions to find out the vision that students had. Your perspective is inherently not broad enough and you have to listen to those voices. Lived on the MLC at the time, but had those conversations with those not originally part of those organizations. Had been dictated by those who knew a lot about it and lived it at the time. We had to pretty fundamentally change course from the Plan 2008 context. I was lucky because Plan 2008 WAS Plan 2008 and we were concluding and deciding how to move forward. He was intrigued by my approach and invited me to speak in front of over 200 members of administration. Also invited to start working at the UW System level with Inclusive Excellence. Need to move it from a peripheral concern to a core policy.
Our approach has to fundamentally include every single student. If you’re excluding students, you’re having a very adverse effect on campus climate. So I became a full-time consultant and went around to all these campus units and making change. We established the diversity committee (non-existent from dormancy when he started), collaborated with MCSC with events in the Spring. It was a very important time to engage constituencies such as students and faculty. When I was deciding whether or not to continue in that role, I asked myself if there was anything else I could contribute. If I were to step down, that conversation would largely dissolve. We had to create some of the institutional structure to capitalize on this movement. I decided to continue on this campaign and make some of these really important structural changes on campus. Collaborated with a lot of Shared Gov appointees. We had some really serious conversations with them and we initiated a relaunch process for some administration approaches. Will relaunch in Fall 2010. The second side was students. We needed to find a new model that was sustainable that would help with these conversations. It resulted in the student leaders dialogue. You should read Jason Smathers‘ editorial to get some perspective on that, it brought a lot of people together to discuss these things seriously.
We were also talking about having things like this at SOAR. We’re creating a list of why these things worked so well. We finished the student side as well. And finally a feel a sense of conclusion to this whole campaign. It finally started happening. They are actually approaching these diversity issues differently at all kinds of campus units.
Admissions director search is also forcing us to have these conversations too. Gained a committment from every single candidate so far to fundamentally change the process to engaging student leaders in the student leaders in recruitment, changing the brand of the university, communicating the diversity of ideas here. From admissions to working with Vince Sweeney, we’re got a new approach to talking about these issues.
Max Love or Martin Uraga would be good for the Diversity Chair role.
Claps for Olikara.
6:58 - Andrea Nichols – Operations Grants – its a lot of money, I hope you’re taking a clear look at everything. I’m on SSFC, so I hope you take a long look at it all.
6:59 – Jen Kaiser – National Society of Leadership and Success – wants to appeal for $2800 membership dues which were not covered, because otherwise, they can’t stay as a chapter. Without these funds, they’d be deactivated. Members have already paid a one-time 75 dollar fee, so the 2800 is an additional fee needed to supply certain services for the group.
Bemis- How many members are there?
Kaiser – 756.
Madsen – what constitutes an active member?
Have to attend certain speaker events and activities, there are likely 300 or so active members.
Manes – Why did you miss your appeal?
Kaiser – We just missed it, its are first year.
Ziebell – Could you still be an RSO on campus?
Kaiser – We could do some bare bones things, but we’d lose access to the website to see goals.
Bemis – How was the 2800 funded this year?
Kaiser – When you start the chapter, they waive the fee.
Madsen – Are you aware of other chapters at other universities and how they do that?
Kaiser – they do this sort of thing.
Hanley – You mention that in addition to materials and speakers, what other benefits does this provide?
Kaiser – The website provides speaker videos, a job listing site.
Hanley – So, only active members who pay their dues can get to the website?
Kaiser – They already can get it.
Gosselin – How much money did get from finance?
Kaiser – We got 300.
Gosselin – and you requested?
Kaiser – 3,000.
7:08 – Adoption of Agenda.
Chair Reports
Work-Study – Fergus is absent.
Academic Affairs – Zinn is absent
Diversity – Olikara said everything already.
Finance – Beemsterboer – most of this will be done later. Going to have feedback sessions, etc.
Leg. Affairs – Thanks for all the memories, look forward to working with you.
Nominations Board – Chair Sharpe – Needs time.
Shared Gov. – Hanley – Finished up interviews for appointments to Shared Gov. committees. Anyone who interviewed should be recieving that in the next day or two. Next Shared Gov. Chair will have to deal with duties. Didn’t have a meeting last week because of interviews.
Student Print – Had a meeting today, but because I wasn’t notified about it, I don’t know what happened. No report.
SACGB – Last meeting on Sunday. Some cleaning uptodo. New space app and space eval form. Those have to be finalized and we have to pass those on to the next governing board. We’ll look at those again. We also have bylaw changes, but those will have to wait until next session.
Nominations Board – As I informed you guys, we were in the process of making some of the interview questions make sense. Some of the descriptions are posted, the rest will be posted later. Will be on the server soon. I’ve advertised those positions for 17th Session. Those applications will be due April 28. I understand there might not be a meeting on May 1st because of Mifflin. If there is a meeting, I might extend those applications to give more people a chance to apply. I’ve been advertising it with one e-mail per week, I’ll talk to Ken about it too.
Ziebell – is there anything on the website?
Sharpe – Link on main page links to openings.
Chair Report – Junger – Negotiations on Fund 128 – Pretty good meeting. We’re going to be looking at that language and Williams can talk about it a little further. The next session will be approving the memo of understanding, unless we end up having another meeting next week.
Madsen – Could you say more about that?
Junger – I don’t want to say too much, but we started off in a strong position, maintained it, actually got language closer to the rights embodied in state statute 36.0.9(5)
Templeton is talking about plans for high speed rail, university recruitment efforts and other things. Had to lean over to talk with reporter. Sorry.
Student Judiciary – First meeting of the next session could be Sunday at Noon. Might not happen if the Vice Chief Justice says it can’t be at that time.
SSFC – We revised the member position description, worked on the MOU with Bazell, worked on RFP for Tenant Services contract. Making sure its abiding by all the legal administrative jargon. When that RFP is out, we have to assemble a pyramid committee to rate proposals, and it would likely be set in effect in September, which is great because its right in rental season (What?). Contract advisory committee will hopefully finish with their recommendations to Biddy before the end of the Fiscal Year.
7:25 – MEChA resolution – Wrote this after realizing MEChA could lose the space they’re occupying since 1972 (not could, WILL.), and there hasn’t been enough communication between UW and MEChA and I thought this would be something important to bring to the awareness of student council. And generally, the only way to have discussion on SC is to do it this way and figure out what to do when their ability to give their direct service is limited. I know there were some concerns that it might not be VPN. I think its our duty, however, to make sure their service can be provided if its been funded.
Templeton: Did you talk to anyone about this lack of communication?
Love: Looked at the DC article, talked to MEChA and they said this.
Templeton: Are you aware that they’ve been talking to MEChA about this for FOUR YEARS?
Love: That might be true, but they’ve not released any press release about this or what’s going on.
Williams: What will this legislation accomplish?
Love: I guess, since this is the last session, this won’t do anything. But I think it raises the discussion on this.
Templeton: Are you aware they have office space at the SAC?
Love: Yes, I’ve been told that, but I’ve been told it limits their ability to aid in their direct service.
Olikara: How would their direct services be limited?
Love: Cultural Arts are limited, archives need to be housed somewhere. They can’t do a lot of these things in the SAC.
Manes: Did you ask if they had alternatives?
Love: Didn’t really discuss that.
Templeton: Do you know if they’re aware about the multipurpose room in the SAC?
Love: Yes, I knew it, but they can do this right now at any point in the day. SAC isn’t open 24-7, MEChA is.
7:33- Operations Grants Approval
Beemsterboer – 91 applications or so, so it’s hard to present this. This is what we got after 16 appeals from student orgs. Final award amount of $145,000.
Gosselin – Could you rehash how Finance Committee made its decisions?
Beemsterboer – We took into consideration – what are the basic operational costs for student orgs. Every student org is going to require membership advertising of sort. The things we generally funded were ads and supplies for fliers, etc. Then we valued was membership dues – are there membership dues they have to pay, and if there are, what costs will members incur, and what is reasonable for the student body to pay. It was based on what the total cost would be per member.
Junger – Remember – this has to be VPN.
Gosselin – Largest five grants?
CWC – 33,100
Bline – 8,000
Pi Kappa Alpha – 4,780
WUD Publications – 5,000
CALS Student Council – 3,900
Gosselin – In the list of orgs that you listed off, can you explain the rationale behind CWC’s budget being five times the size?
Beemsterboer – It’s four times the amount. btw.
Manes – Was there any discussion had on the large number of supply line items for CWC?
Beemsterboer – No.
Manes – One of the things they did not talk about was capital equipment purchases, do you fund the supplies for those?
Beemsterboer – yes.
Debate
Gosselin – First point of information – When Council is looking at this, is it up-down, are there line items, orgs as a whole, etc.
Junger – Can amend by line with majority.
Gosselin – I move to strike 6,050 for printing, 10,000 from supplies, strike 4,393 dollars from ads, 6,000 from equipment from CWC.
Manes seconds.
Gosselin – The numbers as presented: Finance committee went through. There are around 90 or so orgs that recieved funds. Most fell between 500-1200, one reaching as high as 8,000 and then this 33,000 budget. I fear that it appears that Finance Committee may have deviated from the way it approached other groups. 1/4 of ops grant are being doled out to one group. And Op grants are supposed to fund the basics of daily operations. for a group. I have copies for the CWC budget request. I cut printing down to 3,000. The highest printing line item was from bline. Their organization essentially prints a magazine and that’s their cost. So, its clearly the fundamental essence for that organization. I left in all their fliers, but cut their magazine circulation.
Supplies, I cut it down to a level that was still double the nearest group’s line items. Some of these supplies can be conceivably funded by events grants.
Advertising struck to 1607 level – that’s how much homecoming committee received. Still substantial, the largest of any of these organizations.
Equipment – 6,000 was for space rental and phone. I cut it because I don’t know how comfortable I am to pay for space. We pay hundreds of thousands for the SAC, and we were going to fund this?
Basically: This could be a prima facie VPN violation by treating this group differently.
Hanley – What is there total left over? 6,607.
Junger – Please, stay VPN.
Madsen – If we wanted to solicit info from a CWC member, how do we do that while being VPN?
Junger – Can yield the floor to Tina.
Manes – Having dealt quite extensively with CWC, I think this was the result of emotional lobbying, not criteria. I don’t see why this group would have to deal this amount of money. I pulled up the financial policies and proceedures – Mission Statements of Operations Grant – Provides money for routine operations of the student group. We’re not funding centers, etc. We’re funding student organizations. We’re funding what is needed for that student org to exist.
Operations grants won’t be used to fund event oriented funding, major equipment, etc. Events are pertinent here. A lot of the supplies seem to be for more event oriented funding. Its 10,000 condoms to hand out at events. That’s probably something that should go through event grants. A lot of it does seem to fall outside of the daily purview of a student org. Not sure what he’s getting at by emphasizing “Student” organizations. I don’t think this is the place for this discussion, it should go back to finance, seeing as the debate lasted about 15 minutes.
Junger – Rationale for vote needs to be stated.
Madsen – pass.
Max Love – I’m surprised, because the rationale isn’t rationale. I’m surprised you mentioned this, because I’m not sure you witnessed the finance committee debate. Finance Committee did their job and it was passed. So everytime that you’ve said that SSFC should have their autonomy, I can’t believe you come up with your argument. It’s astounding that this is being done right now. The accusations of this VPN, its strange, because lobbying finance committee members can’t happen. Its misleading members of this committee. Try and see this rationally. See where it’s coming from.
Madsen – I’d like to ask the Council for approval for Tina to speak about their supplied. And how it relates to the core of their organizations.
Love – Suspend the rules to ask questions.
Tina – Most of our supplies are condoms, but its our biggest draw to get people to come in. Almost all of the male students that have come in have done so for safe sex supplies. Goes to the direct mission of CWC. Our primary service is resource advising. Most of our things are open to all students on campus. (I’m still in GSSF mode) As for rent and phone – we decided that we cannot do that in the SAC, because of the anonymity of some of our services. Most of the offices and suites have glass windows and we could cover them, but it doesn’t really work.
The printing of our zine, its part of our outreach to the artistic community. Whole subgroup of the campus women’s center. I feel super unprepared. I feel like I was blindsided.
Manes: Would you support an alternative hearing?
Tina: I would say sure, but I think we’re being singled out in a non-VPN way.
Hanley: When it comes to printing, is that a (the magazine, I assume) service to students to all students directly? Is that available to all students directly?
Tina: Yeah, that’s really a part of our community.
Just a note: I tend to agree with Manes – this isn’t the place to be doing this. Send it back to finance committee.
Hanley: What’s the purpose of the ads, national pen?
Tina: National Pen produces our promotional materials, and the Herald and Cardinal would be advertising the center as a whole.
Ziebell: I know you said that you work with other departments for the Redzine. Uh….Pass on that. Netflix subscription?
Tina: Yeah, we don’t have it right now, but we thought it’d be good for our discussions and we wouldn’t have to pay 1,000 a time to show something.
Ziebell: On the other question – Do the other groups get funding from ASM to print those redzines?
Tina: Don’t really know, we have co-sponsorships, CWC contributes a certain amount of money.
Beemsterboer: Why not SAC space?
Tina: More anonymous. Sure, other similar groups are here, but there’s a need for a separate center for this.
I don’t know if the Memorial Union space was that more anonymous. I mean, it was a clear line of sight to the door. The SAC space does have odd angles and corners and a myriad more locations that one could duck into. Certainly, you could argue the windows are a problem, but you can fix that.
Tina: It’s a safe bet. We’re a former GSSF group. This is less than a 1/3 of our former budget.
Martenzie Johnson: If you don’t get the space funding, would you cease to exist.
Tina: I don’t want to misrepresent them.
Love: Do you know if they lobbied Finance?
Tina: No.
Love: Why not?
Tina: We were told it was frowned upon, or illegal. I don’t quite know.
Madsen: Is the ad budget used for events?
Tina: It used to be when we had a bigger budget, but it might do so with our kickoff meetings, etc.
Madsen: Do your funds actually go to events, or services, etc.
Tina: I can speak to this, all the event line items were stripped for this budget. Most of the supplies were the bare basics. We have a lot of active members, so that’s why there is so much.
Gosselin: Pass.
Manes: No other student orgs that we fund here put on services. These are funds for the student orgs to exist. No other groups were funded for rent.
Madsen: POI – weren’t some other groups given funds for rent?
Beemsterboer: That was for Badger Ballroom, rental funds for dancing space.
Manes: Can you segregate your student org from the services you provide?
Tina: What is an organization for? Just to exist and talk? These services are what we do to exist! Can you give an example of an org that exist but doesn’t do anything?
Manes: Well, it’s not often that this happens. CFACT lost their GSSF status. They do internships, they do campaigning, they did other direct services…but they were able to separate the cost associated from those services from those to just run the organizations.
Tina: So, separate the costs of operating from these services? The mission IS our services. If we cut all the services, we would still be doing resource advising. We give them stuff, we get people who call the phone line when they’re in crisis. I don’t think I can answer this question. and also, it’s really hard to do this on the fly. I’m only in charge of about a 1/9 of the org.
Manes: You said that none of the CWC members have lobbied Finance Committee members. You personally lobbied with Tim Fund during GSSF funds.
Tina: Yeah! For GSSF!
Manes: Yes, but it was Tim Fung who moved to fund… (Laughter from Max Love.)
Tina: I’m sorry, I should have clarified.
Manes: But how can you say you didn’t lobby when you did lobby for a Finance Committee member?
Tina: I’m sure anyone who was on both committees would have a different understanding. How can we be punished for doing what we were supposed to SSFC and Finance? If it’s allowed in the bylaws, its allowed in the bylaws.
Bemis: Can you give an estimate to how many students use the support groups?
Tina: We don’t take names, obviously.
Junger: Motion to close the speakers list for questions. No objection (Max objects but not loud enough. Moving on.)
Olikara: Did CWC engage in the rearrangement process for Red Gym? Did anyone look into that?
Tina: I personally don’t know.
(Sorry, missed a bit fielding e-mails about interviews and controversial ads. HOW FUN!)
Madsen: This is an all student group, right?
Tina: Yes, it’s all student run, no professional staff or advisers.
Move more to debate, back in rules.
Beemsterboer: Motion to add 562 to printing, 863 to supplies, 1,374 to ads, and 400 to equipment rental.
Templeton: Lobbying needs to be public, right?
Junger: Yes.
Templeton: Make that clear to Bemis,then, who’s talking to Tina.
Beemsterboer: Nobody has asked if I was comfortable with the Finance Committee debate, I was not, I think it was a prima facie violation as Kurt said. There are a lot of justifiable items in this original grant, but not to the level we funded.
(Speaks to rationale for why he wants to increase grants from Kurt’s number. Says a lot of the supplies are unnecessary, the space IS necessary, given the SAC space allocation having passed.)
Williams – If you have lobbied with any orgs, even in small amounts, please fill out the forms, because otherwise you can be removed.
Madsen: Speaking to the second – I think its important respect his opinion and information as to how he acts. I think its important to have the space. If for nothing else, the support groups. Condoms are necessary to draw people in. Might be worth still talking about where the supplies money should be.
Love: I just want to say, I don’t support the amendment because just because a group is getting an atypical amount doesn’t mean its a violation. I can’t find one thing that is being funded here that it can’t be funded. Says event oriented funding isn’t being funded. I can’t see why we won’t fund CWC to the request they ask. For us not to ask that about every single group, we’re violating VPN then. And this isn’t a VPN hearing. If people have concerns about this being too large, you can’t argue that. That’s not logical reasoning. I’ve disagreed with both the amendments.
Can’t is a lot different from “should” based on what is fiscally responsible and necessary for the group. I wrote an article about this once, and I think Love is taking that position, but I’ve changed my mind on that since then. I’ll post it if I find it.
Gosselin: I’m not sure if you need to read an Econ book or Southworth first. The idea that there’s a scarcity of resources aside, the reason I moved to look at this is because it is substantially greater. I think that might be a sign of VPN violation.
Willing to concede certain points, might have to pull a Wiley on the space funding, but some of this is fiscal insanity.
Manes: Really agree with Gosselin. We don’t have the expertise to go through this line by line. We are here to be a check on Finance Committee. We sit here for a reason, so that those things don’t just happen as an anomaly. There seems to be lobbying here and they happened to get the largest operations grant in history. But looking through the changes that Beemsterboer made, they’re reasonable. It’s difficult to separate an organization from its services, but its something that has to be done. And they no longer have privileges that a GSSF group would enjoy. I support these cuts at these levels. Call the question.
Amendment to amendment (Beemsterboer’s) – New total 14,806 dollars.
Carries.
Templeton: Call the question on original amendment.
Defeated. Return to speakers list.
Manes: supports rent increase. Chancellor Wiley, when dealing with WISPIRG, granted them an exemption for one year to continue to receive funding (Remember to fill out that lobbying form, Max. I saw that.) I feel the same way about CWC. They’re going to have to provide alternatives next time they come before SSFC.
Ziebell: Speaks to support of this. (Max Love just showed me his form. Thank you. Puts my mind at ease)
Bemis: Don’t support change in supply line for change after lobbying. Looking at the CWC website, there are certain things that happen too regularly to get event grants.
Love: I’d like to address, Kurt – just because they’re receiving 1/4 of the operations grant doesn’t mean its wrong. I looked at different orgs receiving rental funding -
Risk Management and Insurance Society – 1,000 for room rentals
Wisconsin Singers – nothing. whoops.
Hoofers Riding Club – Porta Potty rental, 1750 for entire space rental.
Yoga – 300 equipment rental.
Kappa Alpha Psi - 400 for campus events
UW Kennel Club is getting nothing.
Decca is getting something…
This, so far, is mostly equipment and rental space for events. CWC wants permanent housing.
Gymnastics Club – money for workout environment.
Hypnotic – dance studio rental.
Habitat for Humanity – West High School rental space.
(Tell you what, I’m going to cut this off here and post all the details of his rent comparisons here tomorrow.)
Motion to yield remaining time to CWC to explain the rent necessity. Fails.
Madsen – There needs to be a good conversation about scarcity of resources, and for that to come back to council and have that happen, that’s not unreasonable. I’m going to make a motion to increase the supplies line for 1,740 for 3,000 packs of whistles and lube, which, of course, goes hand in hand with condoms
I disagree, actually – doesn’t lube break down the effectiveness of condoms? Still, whatever. It’s in the supply pack, right? Doesn’t make sense to short people their lube. That’s inequity, fools.
Call to question on amendment to amendment.
Fails.
9:06 – Beemsterboer – All of the space equipment rentals are for temporary uses of space, except for Hoofers Riding Club. Only got funded half of what they requested.
I could point out half of these line items and why they are not needed for basic operations. If you have events, ask for events grants, not backdoor through the ops grant. Because they claim tooffer a service shouldn’t be taken into considerations. We’re not talking about funding their services.
We just heard from one organization at the beginning of the meeting that can’t function with 2,800, and are now debating one that claims the amount given isn’t enough to do all their programs. Call the question.
CWC passes at 15k or so.
Back on total ops grant.
Gosselin: Maybe we should give the money back to finance, but I don’t want to let that 10k just sit idle.
Beemsterboer – Motion to add 2,800 in membership dues for National Society of Leadership and Success.
I understand the appeals process may be rather difficult. I can sympathize with their appeal.
Ziebell – If they can’t function, that’ll be open SAC space, and given our problems with allocation, that’ll cause problems.
Call to question: Passes.
Beemsterboer: Refer the rest of the ops grants left over (about 14.5 k) [EDIT] Finance committee, as long as it cannot go to CWC.
Gosselin – Extend prohibition to the other group we just gave funds to.
Call to questions. All pass.
Motion to adjourn.
We’re done at 9:17!